by carlos » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:25 pm
According to the latest posts, it could be well said that :
"Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude...nothing on earth
can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."
Well having said that, it would be desirable to clear concepts, otherwise
people just mix up things, they do not know where they start... where they
end... what are they looking for...they easily mistake a donkey for a horse.
What is it meant by sikhs of old? How long? 200...300...500 or 700 years
back? When you say they were avid hunters, it can be possible a small
fraction of the population. Because not all are going to be teachers,
doctors, farmers, gardeners, goldsmiths.... of course there are many types
of professions, and one has to earn the bread by somemeans, so a limited
number could be possibly hunters...so what is the big deal in it?
What I notice, is that there is total aversion on your part, to those who
proclaim to be vegetarians. One has to respect, each and everyone´s free
choice.
If the hippys drink and smoke, it is because of the bad company they have
kept, so they have aquired bad habits. This is real non/sense to blame their
condition for possibly being vegetarians, which I really doubt, I mean,it is
baseless, it is ridiculous to think in that way. On the other side, for
example go to Jamaica, or almost any country in the world...99.9999 are not
veg, and you will definetely find many many drug addicts, drunkards...and
the best thing is that they are meat eaters also, so you see, it is
ridiculous that if you want to eat meat, you disgrace and talk ill of those
who freely have taken the option of being veg. There is beauty in respect
and humility, so please respect everybody, without any abuse. Not all have
the same quantity of capacity of understanding, neither the same degree of
inteligence.
It is very well written in the Granth Sahib, from a correct perspective that
nobody is silly, neither smart, it is all His play.
I have never stated that the action of eating meat is compared to eating a
plant, i do not know where have you got all these wrong conceptions. When I
mention the word action, I mean "karma", so simple as that, any action
performed is karma. I clearly say, whatever one does good or bad, one gets
it back, that is the same, as of being responsible oneself for the actions
or karmas that one may perform. Please do not try to divert the attention of
the readers to a baseless corner. Read carefully and understand in the
context given, think carefuly then reply with sense, without partially
taking or partially understanding the words, because then the real meaning
is lost.
Why should we say that siks can do this or can not do that. Are we
sikhs not made of the same 5 elements like the rest of human beings? Then how
is it possible that there is a rehat maryada for sikhs, and different for
the rest of humans beings. Is there a different hell or heaven for sikhs than
that for the rest of mankind? If so, then sorry to say one is a murakh, if
not so, then why this is good for sikhs and that is good for others? It is a
pity, that in spite of such high and noble teachings of our Gurus´we have
hardly understood them...we are still very petty minded. When the brahmins
were proud of their caste, Kabir Sahib told them: if by being born as a
brahmin makes you superior to the rest of beings, why were you not born from
the mouth or other place of your mother´s organs. You were born, in the same
way as any other nieghbour´s son. So the same can be applied on us: if by
being born as sikhs, (we) those who think they are better than other humans,
or some privileges or rights or moral character are only for us, then we are
mahamurakhs in the eyes of the Lord.
Just as if we catch fever or flu or any
other sickness or cough, the medicine for curing is the same for all....the
doctors are not going to say that you are a sikh or american or african so
all of you have different medicines to take, for removing that headache for
example. Because there are not different types of headaches depending on
one´s caste, creed or colour... In the same way, the moral values, the
maryada, are the same for all the mankind, it can not be different in the
moral conduct for different castes or creeds... it is ridiculous. It is a
different thing, if someone in particular does want to take that medicine,
that is their problem, but the medicine(values, morality) has to be same
for everybody. Remember, once you leave this earthly plane, nobody is going
to ask you, where do you come from or what is your religion or how many
children have you got, or how much is your bank balance, etc.... But you are
going to be judged for whether you did something to move forward from this
point of existence towards Wahiguru, to merge in Him, thus getting yourself
free from the wheel of eighty four, otherwise one is going to get a good
whipping from Kal and his Yamdoots for wasting away this unique golden
oportunity of human birth.
See how clearly the bani says: awar kaaj tere kitteh na kam, mil sadh-sangat
bhaj kewal Nam.
This is true science, true maryada, true philosophy, true religion, truth by
itself. One has not to read any book written by any Phd, or doctorate or
MA, neither a philosopher to know any maryada. Our Gurus are our open books
with true gyan, true wisdom...why? Becasue they utter what Wahiguru wants us
to know. Men, philosophers, professors, Phd, write according to their
mental and intellectual level; but anyhow they are in the realms of mind and
maya, so whatever they do, is mental activity, means more confussion, anything done with the mind is a bondage, it can never be true gyan, while what our Gurus state is Sach(everlasting) in all ways So, none can be compared to our Gurus´. who are beyond Maya, Kal or
Braham.
You see, not all are destined to believe in Him. Even one may think that I
believe in God and that is enough. No, that is not enough! Only that being
is accepted in His court, who has it written on his forehead(wadbhagi) to do
the correct form of worship, under proper guidance of the Nam bhakti, the
real bandagee, which pleases Him and is accepted by Him. There is no other
way.
The biggest problem that we usually have, is that we do not really know what
sikh actually means. We take it very lightly.But it has a very high meaning.
Sikh really means a person who is a disciple(gurmukh) of the true Guru, is
pure in mind and with discipline and determination (Nam bhakti, abhyas,
devotion to Wahiguru) has won the mind(this is real bravery, veerta) and reached the first spiritual region, known as astral region, or the region of Niranjan. Now let us all ask
ourselves, how many of us have achieved this state. I think most of us will
have our heads fallen with shame. So if that is the case, how can we call
ourselves sikhs? Being this type of sikh is the first degree, the soul aquires in it´s spiritual journey, the second degree achieved is when one reaches the causal region, of Braham, then it is called a sadhu...and so on... when it is about to reach Sach Khand, it shouts out Sohang, which means I am "that", means I am as same in esssence as Satnam. So one has to proceed even further than the state of a sikh, but of course, being a sikh is the first step, it is a must for reaching the goal of being one with Wahiguru.
Our Gurus, through their unlimited daya meher gave us the right directions
to love and offer true devotion to Akal Purukh, and made us their disciples,
giving us, the guidelines for becoming a sikh of a Gursikh. From ordinary human beings involved with agyanta, they gave us the discipline to follow and become a true sikh, and what are those guidelines? In the following shabad of Guru Ram Das, fourth patshahee, are some of the guidelines of the maryada rehat to be able to call oneself a sikh:
gur satgur kaa jo sikh akhaa-ay so bhalkay uth har naam Dhi-aavai.
One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.
udam karay bhalkay parbhaatee isnaan karay amrit sar naavai.
Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.
updays guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilvikh paap dokh leh jaavai.
Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.
fir charhai divas gurbaanee gaavai bahdi-aa uth-di-aa har naam Dhi-aavai.
Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.
jo saas giraas Dhi-aa-ay mayraa har har so gursikh guroo man bhaavai.
One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.
jis no da-i-aal hovai mayraa su-aamee tis gursikh guroo updays sunaavai.
That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.
jan naanak Dhoorh mangai tis gursikh kee jo aap japai avrah naam japaavai. ||2||
Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it.
The 5 k´s are just reminders, that we are gursikhs of a True Guru, and that at each step, at each inspiration and exhalation of oxygen, sitting or getting up, walking...etc, that we have to do constant Nam Simran, then we may call ourselves sikhs or gursikhs not otherwise. Just as when we were young we went to school, we had to study hard, struggle hard to achieve something...in the same way, not just by the 5 k´s, we become sikhs...I wish it was that easier. It is something more serious, with Nam Simran we have to fight bravely with the mind,defeat it and reach the first spiritual region or astral region, then only as said before we are entitled to call ourselves sikhs, then one could be of east, west north or south ,it does not matter, one has to workout hard to achieve that degree, that title, of being a sikh involves a lot of nobility, bravery, purity, humility, love and devotion....only then one reaches the state of a real sikh. So let us not take things so lightly.
So after all this, still one wants to eat meat and do Nam bhakti....you have all the best wishes...try it and see....otherwise it is all bak bak. I will always respect whatsoever one wants to do, because I well understand, one just follows without any choice, one´s destiny chalked out for each of us... it is quite difficult to convince someone...but one thing is sure, as long as Wahiguru wants, if I see any manipulation or twisting of the bani, of the pure teachings of our Gurus´I will surely not keep quiet and point it out, rest is all His Divine Will.
May Wahiguru bless each and everyone, and for that there is no doubt, but we also should keep our baskets upwards to receive that shower of Daya Meher.
Wahiguru Kee Fateh
P.S: below is a reminder of what was written on an earlier post, and it seems some have not gone through:
The creation is governed by the law of action and reaction. As you sow so shall you reap.
Let us be mature, and talk from a logical point and a possitive approach. As we know the whole creation is made of five elements or tattwas: air, water, fire, earth and ether or akash. All the creatures, living beings make the wheel of eighty four, " chaurasi ka chakar".
The lowest forms of creation in this world is the vegetable kingdom, in which only one element is active, which is water.
The second category is of the insects: in them only 2 elements are active, which are: fire and air.
The 3rd category belongs to the bird kingdom, in them only 3 elements are active: water, fire and air.
The 4th category belongs to the mammals or four legged animals, in them except ether or akash is dormant, the rest 4
are active.
In the 5th category comes the human being, in him all the 5 elements are active, that is what distinguishes him from the rest of the creation, the element akash, gives him the reasoning faculty, known also as "budh" along with intelligence.
Now this was a short and a quick description of the physical creation.
Lets now take the following example to ilustrate the topic being disscused above:
Let us imagine, seeing someone pluking a flower from somebody´s garden, the owner sees him and give him a good scolding.
2nd case, somone kils the dog of this same fellow, the case can be reported to the police and the infractor can be fined.
After some time, somone kills this man´s horse, this time the infractor can be jailed. After sometime again, some dacoit enters this man´s house and kills the house owner, this time the dacoit can be hanged, for his crime. So as we can see, for each infraction there has been a punishment, according to the degree of of the infraction commited.The punishment depends on the degree of the level of conciousness present in that particular form of life, consequently depends on the degree of the tattwas present or active in that form of life.
We can not live in this creation without creating karma; and so, if we have to create karma by force, let us create or collect the least amount of it; that is why it is recomended to live on the vegetarian diet, by doing that, we collect the minnimum karma on our heads. The kiling in this creation is done on each step and is unavoidable, but by going for a vegetarian diet, killing is done to a lower level of conciosness. It is esaier, to walk wearing a shirt, than to have 100 pounds of weight on our heads. In the same way, anybody who wants to walk on the path of devotion , on the path of ruhaniyat, of spirituality, will by himself see this need to be put into practice, not otherwise. We have millions of people in this world, 99.99 % are not vegetarians , but they are still going. So it is the conscious aim, which makes one decide in this way.